yeah it was his words not mine, glad there's finally some hard print evidence out there, like I said his words.
It definitely isn't the "democracy" that was once envisioned, as a matter of fact the constitution of the us is technically an illegal document under the articles of confederation. Some believe because the articles of confed. were basically undermined by a few rich politicians (not we "the people") as it states in the first words of the document. It was written at a political convention literally by a few rich bastards. Of course the document did much to unite the states and gave the federal government basically its power to pass federal laws, and regulate taxes and teriffs. A lot of the people who believe in this "radical" idea were groups like the freemen. The reason its "radical" in quotations is because the only thing that's radical is its the truth, and the truth is dangerous.
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it occurred to me at once that love could be a great illusion that makes fools of brilliant thinkers every day.
Well that was very informative, I was looking into the freemen too, those guys really knew what was going on, I'd have to look it up, but they were using some banking techniques that really manipulated the system of taxes and IRS. They made millions off of the fact of how it was wrong for the government to collect taxes in the first place cause it was deemed illegal, then when they would pay taxes, they would use the money they got out of the government, write them a check for more than the government asked and they would get more money back, in turn milking the government to help the people and take the money out of the hands of the great almighty power holders. YOu should look it up though, my facts aren't too in depth and stuff, I just find that group to be very amazing.
The FREEMEN of MONTANA had long ago renounced their U.S. citizenship status in favor of being an American National (Different From a State Citizen, But Similar). They severed all contracts with the government so they would not be under it’s jurisdiction. The U.S. government is a Foreign Corporation with respect to a state. A corporation cannot have citizens, only franchises. When you except a social security # or you register to vote , you elect to be a U.S citizen, which the courts have ruled is of SUBJECT STATUS, Not SOVEREIGN. So after having renounced their U.S. citizenship, they then attempted to set up a township. Using proper methods, with an understanding of the laws involved, they were competent, knowledgable and lawfully able to set up a township, after all, who set up the township you live in or the one up the road ? Someone or some people have to be able to set it up. In a TOWNSHIP, you may have a COURT. Who do you think set up the court in your community or town ? God ? No, people did. Someone with the proper authority. Who has the authority to set up a court ? Who is the government ? WE THE PEOPLE ARE !!! Not U.S. citizens, but state citizens or maybe American Nationals. George Washington was not a U.S. citizen, he was a state Citizen of Virginia. Do you think the IRS was going around telling Washington or Jefferson to pay their taxes or forfeit their land ? Of course not!! That is why we fought the war!!! You need to know what is a Common law or COMMERCIAL LIEN. This may be the Light Saber that slew Darth Vader and took down the Empire in one swipe. The entire legal system in America is based on certain principles. Not to sound religious but the truth is that these principles come to us from the Bible. Our organic law in America comes from the Magna Carta and the Bible. Even going back to the bible, if someone wronged you, you would present them with a “Commercial Affidavit” to seek remedy or recourse. This is your complaint that they wronged you, but that you intend to straighten it out with them and this is your attempt. At this time , they now have X number of days to respond (usually 10 or 20),and if they don't respond in that time then you win the contest by default. Now that you won the contest and you know you were right you can sue for damages by placing a Lien on their ass or assetts. You can now claim that you are taking their property or car or whatever as a security against the judgement. You present them with the Lien, they ignore it, they lose by default and you now own everything you named in the Lien. Take the IRS for example: And remember, everything works on presumption. The IRS presumes you are a U.S. citizen and owe $50,000 to the IRS for taxes. They don't send you proof,
just a notice that you owe and to pay this amount. That is their informing you of the wrong that you’ve done. The next letter comes informing you of their intent to place a Lien on your property unless the amount is paid. The only way to refute a Commercial Affidavit is POINT FOR POINT IN WRITING. If you don't do this, you have just defaulted and everything the IRS said in their original presentment is considered true and that is how the court will rule. Most people never contest a Lien or even know how to do it properly. So almost everybody loses. But you don't have to. To understand the Liens a little better you need to have a clear understanding of WHAT MONEY IS….Lawful money is Gold and Silver only. Paper is not Lawful Money. Federal Reserve Notes are NOT Lawful Money at all. Federal Reserve Notes are not even money, they are DEBT ! I hate to let you down, but if you have a hundred dollar bill in your pocket you are not A hundred dollars richer, you are a hundred dollars in DEBT ! Ever since 1933, the U.S. government has declared Bankruptcy and borrowed money from the Federal Reserve, a private (for profit) corporation with stockholders who make upwards of a billion dollars a year. The Federal Reserve Notes floating around represent Debt, or borrowed money. Borrowed money has to be payed back and the bum in front of Seven-Eleven isn’t the one paying it back, you and I are, people who use the money, and each year that we pay interest on that money, we have less of it, not just the guy down the street, but everyone in the economy. There are several economies operating alongside each other at this time both locally and globally. One type of economy which has always been around and which is still in use is uses the CREDIT SYSTEM. We have been on the CREDIT SYSTEM exclusively since 1933. The CREDIT SYSTEM is regulated by the U.C.C or UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE. Along with the credit system comes limited liability for debts. If I take you to court and sue for a hundred dollars you are not obligated to pay me real money, you can use monopoly money (Federal Reserve Notes) or a Promissory Note, a promise to pay. That is what a Federal Reserve Note is, A PROMISE TO PAY. ---YOU CANNOT PAY A DEBT WITH DEBT !! You CAN DISCHARGE DEBT, however. Now, think about this carefully. If the Federal Reserve can print money, and loan it to us, Number 1: What authority do they have to print the money at all ?, and, if they do have the authority to print money, where is the gold and silver to back it up, or are they just printing it out of thin air ? Number 2: Why would we be obligated to use it and forced to pay interest to them ? Number 3 : What stops you or I from doing the same thing ? Remember, the government doesn’t print the money, a private corporation does. Who gives them the authority ? Here are the answers : The government can contract if they want to to borrow money; it’s a stupid idea since they can print their own, but for the meantime, while it’s under the control of the Masonic International Bankers, that's what they are doing. The point is , THEY DO NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO PRODUCE CREDIT OR MONEY. The MONTANA FREEMEN had spent 20 years studying common law and commercial banking procedure and so forth…They had also acquired a very powerful book on banking that is not well known because they don't want you to have it, called the Banker’s Handbook Of Commercial Banking Law, which reveals a SECRET--that CREDIT IS CREATED WITH THE LIEN PROCESS !! This is where the Federal Reserve gets the authority to print X amount of dollars. Since 1933, the Federal Reserve has had Liens on the U.S. citizens and their property. From this Credit of a perfected Lien, they can then issue bills of exchange, documentary drafts or Federal Reserve Notes, which are the same. Consider this , the 1930’s, the Great Depression, a cattle rancher stuck in a position of needing to purchase food for his cattle, and short on Federal Reserve Notes at the time still had credit. His sheepskins are worth money and although he doesn’t have it at the
time, he knows he will in the near future. He can’t wait to buy food so he issues a documentory draft or a promissory note for the amount due to the foodseller. It’s the same as a check. He doesn’t need the bank to provide him with a check or even need to have it in the bank. Now, the foodseller takes a look at this piece of paper and says well it doesn’t look like a dollar but it doesn't really matter because he knows if he wants some sheepskins he can redeem that paper for some sheepskins, or if he needs a boat and he knows that the guy who sells boats could use some sheepskins, he’ll give the boat dealer the piece of paper and the boat dealer can then redeem it for the sheepskins. As long as people aren’t issuing more credit than they have goods or services to back it up, everyone will be happy. If you find out somebody in the community is doing that then you don't have to accept his promissory notes and then he will have no customers and go out of business. Simple. In other words, WE DON'T NEED THE FEDERAL RESERVE !! Now back to the FREEMEN and what they were doing. The FREEMEN placed common law Liens on public officials, state and federal, including Judges and Sheriffs, The IRS, Large Corporations and The United States Corporation and everyone else that wronged them. Since none of these people knew how to respond properly, and also given the fact that the way the Liens were written, they were written as confessions, so whether they were signed or not by the party, the refusal to respond means acquiescence to the confession, the Freemen now had the government and it’s employees Liened up to 17 TRILLION Dollars. Now, when you have had a Lien placed against you, you cannot obtain credit, buy or sell your house, car or any property written into the Lien. And the most devastating part is that you cannot, almost no matter what, ever have the Lien removed except by the party who filed it against you or a court order. If you try to get a court order to remove it, the judge will tell you he can't, it is RES JUDICATA, or ALREADY DECIDED. It is a bargain of the parties in fact and the government cannot keep you from your right to CONTRACT. Now that the FREEMEN had all of this credit, they started to do several things: They placed 200 million dollars in certified money orders to the World Bank to pay off the National Debt and forever bar the IRS from existence. They also started to teach classes at the ranch for people who wanted to learn and to pay off their debts. This is what Shweitzer would do. Say you owed the IRS $10,000, they would write you a check for $20,000 pay to Your Name and the IRS. The IRS would accept the check and issue you a refund for the remaining $10,000 and you could go the next day and cash it at the bank !!!!! This worked well for over 3 years and the Freemen took in millions of dollars, without a problem. You're probably thinking now, why did it work then? and what happened to make it stop working? Well, it worked then, the same as it still works now and always will. There is some speculation the government didn’t go after them for the checks, but for something else, and just used the check situation as a confusion cover. The Freemen, in their pursuit of taking back their government, accumulated large amounts of hard evidence of drug trafficking by Montana officials. There was an elementary school with only several hundred kids in it, but there was cocaine in the school at the fifth and sixth grade and the Freemen had evidence of high officials involvement in trafficking. But back for now to the money issue. The fact of the matter is that all kinds of government and non-government agencies accepted these checks for years. Examples : In Sept. 1995 a Sonoma couple, Drehne and Sheila Pierce, who had an IRS Lien placed on their assets for back taxes exceeding $8,000, obtained a “Certified Bankers Check” from Leroy Shweitzer with a face value of $22,700, and mailed it to the IRS. Since Shweitzers’s money order was for nearly triple the amount due, the couple sent a letter with the check requesting a refund for overpayment or Criminal Conversion will occur. Within 30 days, the IRS lifted its' Lien against the couple and mailed them a refund check for more than $14,000 dollars. A photo of these checks is included in the catalog for PROOF that this did occur. The IRS is not alone. Roger Leffler of Fridley, Minn.,
sent a $13,000 Freeman bank draft to his state’s Office of Child Support Enforcement for past due child support. The agency apparently accepted the check, clearing his account, and issued him a refund check for $5,712.72 and on and on the stories go. So, was it legal ? Well, is the Federal Reserve and IRS and what they are doing legal? It’s the same thing and it works because the system is based on it. The commercial Liens are often for hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. The amount of damages sought is at the discretion of the individual, but at the common charge of 5 to 10 cents on the dollar to fashion the Lien, the more you seek, the more you pay. They are registered under form U.C.C.-1 with the respective secretaries of state, and then are used as collateral, or as in most cases, commercial paper that is sold, leased, transferred for collection, or used to back up money orders. “Liened Up” companies and individuals have been known to buy them back at a fraction of their value in order to save money on legal costs fighting them, and escape related aggravation. Patriot community leaders suggest Americans are putting Liens against banks, companies and government entities and employees as a simple and effective means to redress grievences. Literally billions of dollars in Liens have been filed in the last few years. Liens apparently are also ending up in the hands of Foreign governments. Unlike banks in the United States, the intrinsic value of American-generated Liens is not disputed by most countries, many of which are buying them up as they would any other form of government paper. F. Joe Holland claims the offshore sale of this paper has become a cottage industry in the U.S. And according to Michael Overturf of Burbank, Calif.,who acts as an intermediary between citizens and offshore intersets and manages a “ortfolio” he claims is worth more than $10 Billion, “the Process of liquidating the Liens is quite simple, and lawful. Say for example there is a third world country that owes debt to the U.S. government. They can rent or lease a commercial lien from us, and use it to increase or enhance their asset base, allowing them to loan money to people in their country to do projects. Now, if they purchase the lien outright, they can also go to the U.S. and say they want to apply this lien against their debt. They can also create letters of credit, or they can borrow more money from the treasury of the U.S., because they have increased their asset base. An offshore bank can add these Liens to their portfolios, and they actually become part of their assets. When they loan money or credits to their clientele, they are loaning from a credit base calculated from their asset base. They are using the Lien as an asset and ‘consideration of a contract’”. Do you know that an unprecedented number of politicians have announced their retirement in ’95 and ’96. It’s as if they're all flying south for the winter. Over 50 key politicians have announced their retirement and most of them have strangely commented that they want to spend more time with their families. Does this seem odd ?
Yeah the funny thing about the situation now is, that dubya´s new strategy won´t change a lot but redrawing troops wouldn´t help anyone but the troops.
At this point - to be honest - it´s a lose-lose-situation. But there was one little line in his speech that makes all clear: "The situation in Iraq is unacceptable to the American people - and it is unacceptable to me."
Funny that he does not mention anyone but the american people and himself, especially if we consider who dies there. No word about a coalition, allies, friends, the world or anyone else. And this is pretty much what pisses the whole world of. Just in case you do not understand why the whole world goes crazy.
Just consider a dear friend of yours....that was a nice guy in the past....but now he´s still talking about "us" but is only thinking of "himself".
yes, now he is becoming the maverick of american politics, many of the democrats want to basically shone his power. I'm glad that we have so many democrats in the house now, because without them, america would really go down the shitter.
the truth of the situation is, we lost ten years ago, when we didn't "finish the job". Sure maybe we could have been in the same exact situation as we are now. But honestly, nobody remembers why we even started this war, and in history will surely be confused as well.
Its kind of strange dont you think? where are the weapons of mass destruction? How come when they found out the last presidential vote was rigged Kerry, suddenly just threw in the towel? And how come there's so much confusion as to what really happened on 9/11? How come there's so much secrecy about the attacks, and there has never been a straightforward story as to what happened?
More troops definitely will not solve this situation, the only thing I can think to do. Is simply pull out, leave Iraq, let them do what they want. There are no terrorists, its all a conspiracy. All the people killing Americans and Iraqis are simply insurgents, basically freedom fighters, we would do the same thing if someone invaded our country.
Bush thinks he's America. He really doesn't care what the rest of America or the world thinks. He's basically gotten away with murder. I'll tell you, nobody I know personally is pleased with the Iraq war. All of our people are discusted with the war and want it simply over, I for one would like to see the end soon.
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it occurred to me at once that love could be a great illusion that makes fools of brilliant thinkers every day.
Yeah i think nobody likes the situation in Iraq as it is now. But the big problem remains: It is a lose-lose-situation. No matter what you do, you´ll always lose.
As you said, the problem is that the US invaded Iraq. Maybe the job would have been easier if they completed it in the first place but nobody can say that. Pulling out will only help the US for a short term, but it will tear Iraq apart and the US will never be able to install a democracy. The fundamentalists will win their fight and believe me, the US won´t like this. By now a Saddam still in power would seem like Happyland to the US compared to Iraq ruled by pro-Iran fundamentalists. After the Saddam-regime collapsed terrorists really began to work in Iraq. Somehow it seems like the american people (and the Iraqi) will have to eat all the shit the bush administration served them all these years because the republicans surely won´t do that.
What really frightens me is that even democrats think in the same categories as the republicans. You, for example asked about wmd´s. Don´t get me wrong, that´s not a common "i´m so fucking educated and i know everything better cause im european"-rant against americans. But i really remember when the bush administration accused Saddam to have wmd´s for the first time. Absolutely no expert on german television understood that point. In fact they were wondering what the americans are talking about, and where they have all this information from. Now we know it was a lie.
And another problem is that democrats still think different about war. War is not the same war it was 40 years ago. Of course the US have the best army in the world but that won´t help them very much fighting terrorism, especially when they have to fight an unknown enemy. They still think in missions and jobs that have to be accomplished and done. But that is a never ending job that has to be done. There is no goal as such. And building a democracy in Iraq will need several decades if it is possible at all. Even then they will have to fight terrorism with their secret agencies.
As long as the democrats ask the wrong questions, the situation will remain fubar snafu.
straight from the mouth of our fearless leader
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It definitely isn't the "democracy" that was once envisioned, as a matter of fact the constitution of the us is technically an illegal document under the articles of confederation. Some believe because the articles of confed. were basically undermined by a few rich politicians (not we "the people") as it states in the first words of the document. It was written at a political convention literally by a few rich bastards. Of course the document did much to unite the states and gave the federal government basically its power to pass federal laws, and regulate taxes and teriffs. A lot of the people who believe in this "radical" idea were groups like the freemen. The reason its "radical" in quotations is because the only thing that's radical is its the truth, and the truth is dangerous.
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it occurred to me at once that love could be a great illusion
that makes fools of brilliant thinkers every day.
TIMASHUK! my rock music,Incheonlazerhead
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The FREEMEN of MONTANA had long ago renounced their U.S. citizenship status in favor of being an American National (Different From a State Citizen, But Similar). They severed all contracts with the government so they would not be under it’s jurisdiction. The U.S. government is a Foreign Corporation with respect to a state. A corporation cannot have citizens, only franchises. When you except a social security # or you register to vote , you elect to be a U.S citizen, which the courts have ruled is of SUBJECT STATUS, Not SOVEREIGN. So after having renounced their U.S. citizenship, they then attempted to set up a township. Using proper methods, with an understanding of the laws involved, they were competent, knowledgable and lawfully able to set up a township, after all, who set up the township you live in or the one up the road ? Someone or some people have to be able to set it up. In a TOWNSHIP, you may have a COURT. Who do you think set up the court in your community or town ? God ? No, people did. Someone with the proper authority. Who has the authority to set up a court ? Who is the government ? WE THE PEOPLE ARE !!! Not U.S. citizens, but state citizens or maybe American Nationals. George Washington was not a U.S. citizen, he was a state Citizen of Virginia. Do you think the IRS was going around telling Washington or Jefferson to pay their taxes or forfeit their land ? Of course not!! That is why we fought the war!!! You need to know what is a Common law or COMMERCIAL LIEN. This may be the Light Saber that slew Darth Vader and took down the Empire in one swipe. The entire legal system in America is based on certain principles. Not to sound religious but the truth is that these principles come to us from the Bible. Our organic law in America comes from the Magna Carta and the Bible. Even going back to the bible, if someone wronged you, you would present them with a “Commercial Affidavit” to seek remedy or recourse. This is your complaint that they wronged you, but that you intend to straighten it out with them and this is your attempt. At this time , they now have X number of days to respond (usually 10 or 20),and if they don't respond in that time then you win the contest by default. Now that you won the contest and you know you were right you can sue for damages by placing a Lien on their ass or assetts. You can now claim that you are taking their property or car or whatever as a security against the judgement. You present them with the Lien, they ignore it, they lose by default and you now own everything you named in the Lien. Take the IRS for example: And remember, everything works on presumption. The IRS presumes you are a U.S. citizen and owe $50,000 to the IRS for taxes. They don't send you proof,
just a notice that you owe and to pay this amount. That is their informing you of the wrong that you’ve done. The next letter comes informing you of their intent to place a Lien on your property unless the amount is paid. The only way to refute a Commercial Affidavit is POINT FOR POINT IN WRITING. If you don't do this, you have just defaulted and everything the IRS said in their original presentment is considered true and that is how the court will rule. Most people never contest a Lien or even know how to do it properly. So almost everybody loses. But you don't have to. To understand the Liens a little better you need to have a clear understanding of WHAT MONEY IS….Lawful money is Gold and Silver only. Paper is not Lawful Money. Federal Reserve Notes are NOT Lawful Money at all. Federal Reserve Notes are not even money, they are DEBT ! I hate to let you down, but if you have a hundred dollar bill in your pocket you are not A hundred dollars richer, you are a hundred dollars in DEBT ! Ever since 1933, the U.S. government has declared Bankruptcy and borrowed money from the Federal Reserve, a private (for profit) corporation with stockholders who make upwards of a billion dollars a year. The Federal Reserve Notes floating around represent Debt, or borrowed money. Borrowed money has to be payed back and the bum in front of Seven-Eleven isn’t the one paying it back, you and I are, people who use the money, and each year that we pay interest on that money, we have less of it, not just the guy down the street, but everyone in the economy. There are several economies operating alongside each other at this time both locally and globally. One type of economy which has always been around and which is still in use is uses the CREDIT SYSTEM. We have been on the CREDIT SYSTEM exclusively since 1933. The CREDIT SYSTEM is regulated by the U.C.C or UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE. Along with the credit system comes limited liability for debts. If I take you to court and sue for a hundred dollars you are not obligated to pay me real money, you can use monopoly money (Federal Reserve Notes) or a Promissory Note, a promise to pay. That is what a Federal Reserve Note is, A PROMISE TO PAY. ---YOU CANNOT PAY A DEBT WITH DEBT !! You CAN DISCHARGE DEBT, however. Now, think about this carefully. If the Federal Reserve can print money, and loan it to us, Number 1: What authority do they have to print the money at all ?, and, if they do have the authority to print money, where is the gold and silver to back it up, or are they just printing it out of thin air ? Number 2: Why would we be obligated to use it and forced to pay interest to them ? Number 3 : What stops you or I from doing the same thing ? Remember, the government doesn’t print the money, a private corporation does. Who gives them the authority ? Here are the answers : The government can contract if they want to to borrow money; it’s a stupid idea since they can print their own, but for the meantime, while it’s under the control of the Masonic International Bankers, that's what they are doing. The point is , THEY DO NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO PRODUCE CREDIT OR MONEY. The MONTANA FREEMEN had spent 20 years studying common law and commercial banking procedure and so forth…They had also acquired a very powerful book on banking that is not well known because they don't want you to have it, called the Banker’s Handbook Of Commercial Banking Law, which reveals a SECRET--that CREDIT IS CREATED WITH THE LIEN PROCESS !! This is where the Federal Reserve gets the authority to print X amount of dollars. Since 1933, the Federal Reserve has had Liens on the U.S. citizens and their property. From this Credit of a perfected Lien, they can then issue bills of exchange, documentary drafts or Federal Reserve Notes, which are the same. Consider this , the 1930’s, the Great Depression, a cattle rancher stuck in a position of needing to purchase food for his cattle, and short on Federal Reserve Notes at the time still had credit. His sheepskins are worth money and although he doesn’t have it at the
time, he knows he will in the near future. He can’t wait to buy food so he issues a documentory draft or a promissory note for the amount due to the foodseller. It’s the same as a check. He doesn’t need the bank to provide him with a check or even need to have it in the bank. Now, the foodseller takes a look at this piece of paper and says well it doesn’t look like a dollar but it doesn't really matter because he knows if he wants some sheepskins he can redeem that paper for some sheepskins, or if he needs a boat and he knows that the guy who sells boats could use some sheepskins, he’ll give the boat dealer the piece of paper and the boat dealer can then redeem it for the sheepskins. As long as people aren’t issuing more credit than they have goods or services to back it up, everyone will be happy. If you find out somebody in the community is doing that then you don't have to accept his promissory notes and then he will have no customers and go out of business. Simple. In other words, WE DON'T NEED THE FEDERAL RESERVE !! Now back to the FREEMEN and what they were doing. The FREEMEN placed common law Liens on public officials, state and federal, including Judges and Sheriffs, The IRS, Large Corporations and The United States Corporation and everyone else that wronged them. Since none of these people knew how to respond properly, and also given the fact that the way the Liens were written, they were written as confessions, so whether they were signed or not by the party, the refusal to respond means acquiescence to the confession, the Freemen now had the government and it’s employees Liened up to 17 TRILLION Dollars. Now, when you have had a Lien placed against you, you cannot obtain credit, buy or sell your house, car or any property written into the Lien. And the most devastating part is that you cannot, almost no matter what, ever have the Lien removed except by the party who filed it against you or a court order. If you try to get a court order to remove it, the judge will tell you he can't, it is RES JUDICATA, or ALREADY DECIDED. It is a bargain of the parties in fact and the government cannot keep you from your right to CONTRACT. Now that the FREEMEN had all of this credit, they started to do several things: They placed 200 million dollars in certified money orders to the World Bank to pay off the National Debt and forever bar the IRS from existence. They also started to teach classes at the ranch for people who wanted to learn and to pay off their debts. This is what Shweitzer would do. Say you owed the IRS $10,000, they would write you a check for $20,000 pay to Your Name and the IRS. The IRS would accept the check and issue you a refund for the remaining $10,000 and you could go the next day and cash it at the bank !!!!! This worked well for over 3 years and the Freemen took in millions of dollars, without a problem. You're probably thinking now, why did it work then? and what happened to make it stop working? Well, it worked then, the same as it still works now and always will. There is some speculation the government didn’t go after them for the checks, but for something else, and just used the check situation as a confusion cover. The Freemen, in their pursuit of taking back their government, accumulated large amounts of hard evidence of drug trafficking by Montana officials. There was an elementary school with only several hundred kids in it, but there was cocaine in the school at the fifth and sixth grade and the Freemen had evidence of high officials involvement in trafficking. But back for now to the money issue. The fact of the matter is that all kinds of government and non-government agencies accepted these checks for years. Examples : In Sept. 1995 a Sonoma couple, Drehne and Sheila Pierce, who had an IRS Lien placed on their assets for back taxes exceeding $8,000, obtained a “Certified Bankers Check” from Leroy Shweitzer with a face value of $22,700, and mailed it to the IRS. Since Shweitzers’s money order was for nearly triple the amount due, the couple sent a letter with the check requesting a refund for overpayment or Criminal Conversion will occur. Within 30 days, the IRS lifted its' Lien against the couple and mailed them a refund check for more than $14,000 dollars. A photo of these checks is included in the catalog for PROOF that this did occur. The IRS is not alone. Roger Leffler of Fridley, Minn.,
sent a $13,000 Freeman bank draft to his state’s Office of Child Support Enforcement for past due child support. The agency apparently accepted the check, clearing his account, and issued him a refund check for $5,712.72 and on and on the stories go. So, was it legal ? Well, is the Federal Reserve and IRS and what they are doing legal? It’s the same thing and it works because the system is based on it. The commercial Liens are often for hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. The amount of damages sought is at the discretion of the individual, but at the common charge of 5 to 10 cents on the dollar to fashion the Lien, the more you seek, the more you pay. They are registered under form U.C.C.-1 with the respective secretaries of state, and then are used as collateral, or as in most cases, commercial paper that is sold, leased, transferred for collection, or used to back up money orders. “Liened Up” companies and individuals have been known to buy them back at a fraction of their value in order to save money on legal costs fighting them, and escape related aggravation. Patriot community leaders suggest Americans are putting Liens against banks, companies and government entities and employees as a simple and effective means to redress grievences. Literally billions of dollars in Liens have been filed in the last few years. Liens apparently are also ending up in the hands of Foreign governments. Unlike banks in the United States, the intrinsic value of American-generated Liens is not disputed by most countries, many of which are buying them up as they would any other form of government paper. F. Joe Holland claims the offshore sale of this paper has become a cottage industry in the U.S. And according to Michael Overturf of Burbank, Calif.,who acts as an intermediary between citizens and offshore intersets and manages a “
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it occurred to me at once that love could be a great illusion
that makes fools of brilliant thinkers every day.
TIMASHUK! my rock music,Incheonlazerhead
At this point - to be honest - it´s a lose-lose-situation. But there was one little line in his speech that makes all clear: "The situation in Iraq is unacceptable to the American people - and it is unacceptable to me."
Funny that he does not mention anyone but the american people and himself, especially if we consider who dies there. No word about a coalition, allies, friends, the world or anyone else. And this is pretty much what pisses the whole world of. Just in case you do not understand why the whole world goes crazy.
Just consider a dear friend of yours....that was a nice guy in the past....but now he´s still talking about "us" but is only thinking of "himself".
the truth of the situation is, we lost ten years ago, when we didn't "finish the job". Sure maybe we could have been in the same exact situation as we are now. But honestly, nobody remembers why we even started this war, and in history will surely be confused as well.
Its kind of strange dont you think? where are the weapons of mass destruction? How come when they found out the last presidential vote was rigged Kerry, suddenly just threw in the towel? And how come there's so much confusion as to what really happened on 9/11? How come there's so much secrecy about the attacks, and there has never been a straightforward story as to what happened?
More troops definitely will not solve this situation, the only thing I can think to do. Is simply pull out, leave Iraq, let them do what they want. There are no terrorists, its all a conspiracy. All the people killing Americans and Iraqis are simply insurgents, basically freedom fighters, we would do the same thing if someone invaded our country.
Bush thinks he's America. He really doesn't care what the rest of America or the world thinks. He's basically gotten away with murder. I'll tell you, nobody I know personally is pleased with the Iraq war. All of our people are discusted with the war and want it simply over, I for one would like to see the end soon.
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it occurred to me at once that love could be a great illusion
that makes fools of brilliant thinkers every day.
TIMASHUK! my rock music,Incheonlazerhead
As you said, the problem is that the US invaded Iraq. Maybe the job would have been easier if they completed it in the first place but nobody can say that. Pulling out will only help the US for a short term, but it will tear Iraq apart and the US will never be able to install a democracy. The fundamentalists will win their fight and believe me, the US won´t like this. By now a Saddam still in power would seem like Happyland to the US compared to Iraq ruled by pro-Iran fundamentalists. After the Saddam-regime collapsed terrorists really began to work in Iraq. Somehow it seems like the american people (and the Iraqi) will have to eat all the shit the bush administration served them all these years because the republicans surely won´t do that.
What really frightens me is that even democrats think in the same categories as the republicans. You, for example asked about wmd´s. Don´t get me wrong, that´s not a common "i´m so fucking educated and i know everything better cause im european"-rant against americans. But i really remember when the bush administration accused Saddam to have wmd´s for the first time. Absolutely no expert on german television understood that point. In fact they were wondering what the americans are talking about, and where they have all this information from. Now we know it was a lie.
And another problem is that democrats still think different about war. War is not the same war it was 40 years ago. Of course the US have the best army in the world but that won´t help them very much fighting terrorism, especially when they have to fight an unknown enemy. They still think in missions and jobs that have to be accomplished and done. But that is a never ending job that has to be done. There is no goal as such. And building a democracy in Iraq will need several decades if it is possible at all. Even then they will have to fight terrorism with their secret agencies.
As long as the democrats ask the wrong questions, the situation will remain fubar snafu.
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